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25:22: Do guns make us safe? A new Stanford University study throws big doubt on a classic argument of the National Rifle Association: That states with right-to-carry laws are safer and have less crime. The Stanford study of data from 1977 to 2014 found just the opposite. The lead author of that study, Stanford law professor John Donohue, joins us, along with Firmin DeBrabander, MICA professor and the author of “Do Guns Make Us Free?”