The challenges of indigent defense have only become more difficult in the middle of a global pandemic and a national reckoning on racial justice. How are those on the front lines dealing with these challenges? Hear from two of our nation’s leading public defenders  — Avis Buchanan, Director of the Public Defender Service for the District of Columbia, and Ricardo Garcia, Los Angeles County Chief Public Defender, in conversation with Professor Ron Tyler, Director of our Criminal Defense Clinic.